Potrero War Event List

Events at Potrero War

Thank you for your interest in the events at Potrero War. Below are a list of events for your enjoyment. See you at war!

Lucet Basics
Time: Thursday, May 22nd ,1PM to 2PM
Location: Other (See Description)
Teacher: Lord Egil the Loomwright
Description: Make a square cord and a 2 color cord. Classroom lucets available or bring your own. No fee. Max 10 persons per class. Location: Pine Box Traders merchant booth

Intro Music Theory
Time: Friday, May 23rd ,10AM to 11AM
Location: Stone Tables-Blue
Teacher: Eadoin Inghen Muireartaigh
Description: Description of class: Introduction to music theory for those with no experience whatsoever. Depending on student interest subjects covered may include: the physics of sound, history of music notation, how to read music, basic (western) music theory.

Consulting Heraldry
Time: Friday, May 23rd ,10AM to 4PM
Location: Closed Ramada
Teacher: THe Honorable Lady Eridana Ambra Dragotta
Description: This is not a "class" but time to choose a period name and device (registration is not required, but encouraged). Most of my books will be available as well as a computer to access web sources. You need not be an SCA member to choose or register a name.

Sprang Basics
Time: Friday, May 23rd ,10AM to 12 Noon
Location: Other (See Description)
Teacher: Lord Egil the Loomwright
Description: Warp a frame and make a small bag. Classroom frames available or bring your own. No fee. Max 10 persons per class.Location: Pine Box Traders merchant booth

Bells and Whistles
Time: Friday, May 23rd ,10AM to 12 Noon
Location: Stone Tables-Yellow
Teacher: Lord Curteis FitzOsbern
Description: The use and meanings of the ship's bell and the bosun whistle. Comon and ring our bell.

Period Paternosters
Time: Friday, May 23rd ,10AM to 12 Noon
Location: Stone Tables-Red
Teacher: Lady Catharine Hawkwod
Description: Make period paternoster prayer beads with tassels to accessorize your garb. Pins and jump rings will be provided for wearing your paternoster -- or bring your own brooch for a snazzier look. "Pilgrim badges" and end-piece jewelry may also be purchased. Any restrictions (age/number of students): 15 students max. Class Fee: $16 (base fee). Any Questions- email catharinehawkwod@yahoo.com.

Turkish Slipper Class
Time: Friday, May 23rd ,10AM to 1PM
Location: Stone Tables-Green
Teacher: Comptesse Albra Katerine Marie Isabel Bautiste
Description: Students will draft a turkish slipper -style turnshoe in velveteen orupholstry fabric.Teacher provides patterns , muslin for mockups, needles, thread, outer fabric and lining--and handout. Students need to bring foam sole inserts (Dr Scholls, or other) in their shoe size---and large quilting hoop.(18" to 20")---scissors, and note-taking materials. Class fee for materials kit is $10. Handout only $2.00 Some sewing experience needed--and ages 16 and up only please.

Joining in. Playing instrumental music in groups in the SCA.
Time: Friday, May 23rd ,11AM to 12 Noon
Location: Stone Tables-Blue
Teacher: Eadoin Inghen Muireartaigh
Description: So you've got yourself a recorder or shawm or harp or hand-drum, and you know how to read music (well, the basics at least), and you want to join your local music group and play... but you're not necessarily sure how to do this, or whether you can keep up. This class is for you! We'll look at joining a group and how to be a musically productive member of a group _regardless_ of your level of playing. All levels of musicians are welcome! Please bring whatever instrument you've been working at learning and be ready to make mistakes sight-reading music. After this class you should be able to join the rehearsals for playing at the various balls, so come play with us! Students should be able to read music and should bring a musical instrument they have some knowledge of playing. Students should also bring a chair and music stand (music will be provided)

Belly Dance Basics and Beyond
Time: Friday, May 23rd ,11AM to 12:30PM
Location: Open Ramada
Teacher: Lady Genevieve d'Orleans
Description: Brush up on your basics, reawaken those fabulous hips, learn some new moves and enjoy the company of ladies who love to dance! We'll cover hip bumps, shimmies, hip circles, undualtions, chest circles, chest slides, snake arms, floreos, level changes, stage presence and presentation. Oh, and we'll have a lot of fun! Bring a hip scarf or coin or tassel belt, and a 2-1/2 or 3 yard veil if you'd like to learn some veil moves.

Tiny Tunic Quilt
Time: Friday, May 23rd ,12 Noon to 2PM
Location: Other (See Description)
Teacher: Baroness Adelicia of Caithness
Description: Learn to make a tiny tunic quilt just like the one from last year's arts auction. The class will cover the techniques needed to create the tiny tunic block with tips on fabric, trim and putting the quilt together. There is a class fee of $2 and the pattern for entire quilt will be available for sale. Class Held in The Barony of Calafia Camp.

The Make and Take Largesse Crafts Workshop
Time: Friday, May 23rd ,12 Noon to 1:30PM
Location: Stone Tables-Red
Teacher: The Honorable Lady Maggie MacDonald
Description: To be provided: One kit of the student's choice. In the kit will be instructions and materials to make one project. Belt book- Book of Hours Biggens- fabric Cup covers- fabric or crocheted Sewing kit Kumihimo Class fee- Craft kits will be $2-5 per project Class Limit- 10 students- no small children, please

Wood Working / Building an Osberg Viking Wagon
Time: Friday, May 23rd ,1PM to 3PM
Location: Stone Tables-Blue
Teacher: Lord Gerhard Goosen
Description: Class will be mostly hands-on and very little lecture. I will walk you through the steps of building a look-a-like Osberg wagon for carting your stuff. Using simple geometry, we will design the wheels and various parts. For those wanting to get started on their project, you will need to bring tools and lumber. For those wanting a full size pattern, bring a pencil & pattern paper to trace out parts. The goal is to build up your confidence and have fun building things out of wood. Class Size:Open to all. Please contact me by May 15 to reserve a handout. Email bdgoose@yahoo.com and include" May War Wood Class" in subject line. Those signing up late are taking their chances to whether or not any handouts will be available. Age restriction: Lecture - no age limit. For the hands-on portion you must be 18 or older. Cost: $2 for handout to be paid at class. Tools: Clamps (rope or string and rods make a very period tourniquet clamp, and effective too), hand plane, hand saw, chisel, and hammer. Brace and bits if you got them. Materials: Lumber sizes, To be updated or email me! Oak is nice, but pricey and very heavy, Pine is cheap, but not as strong. I am using Poplar, lightweight and easy to work with.

Field Heraldry, or What is that Lord or Lady yelling about in the eric?
Time: Friday, May 23rd ,1PM to 2PM
Location: Open Ramada
Teacher: Lord Edborough Kellie
Description: Just what is that person doing in the eric before each round of fighting? Learn what a field herald does and why as well as how to control your voice. Handouts will be provided.

Basic Fresh Cheesemaking
Time: Friday, May 23rd ,1:30PM to 3:30PM
Location: Stone Tables-Red
Teacher: Lord Dragon Georgiev syn Rudak
Description: A demonstration of making fresh "farmer" or "cottage" style cheese as well as ricotta. Equipment, technique and ingredients will be discussed and a recipe hand out will be provided. Samples of the cheese produced will be available on a first come first served basis. No small children, please.

Bocksten Garb - Making a T-Tunic the period way
Time: Friday, May 23rd ,2PM to 3PM
Location: Stone Tables-Yellow
Teacher: Lady Ellyn of Tanawyour
Description: Want a dress or tunic that looks more authentic but don't know who to ask? I can show you how to draft the pattern and put together a tunic based on archeological findings on garb worn by actual Ango Saxons. The instructions come from an article originally published in Tournaments Illustrated, but available to us all on the web. We will do the necessary measurements in class and you can take home a handout with all the directions for your very own totally period tunic. And it's really not that hard.

Music Rehearsals
Time: Friday, May 23rd ,3PM to 5PM
Location: Other (See Description)
Teacher: Eadoin Inghen Muireartaigh
Description: All musicians are invited to gather together and play. We will be preparing music for the dances as well as playing around for fun. Dance music provided, feel free to bring other music to try (bring multiple copies, though). Bring instruments, chair, and stand. $2 for dance music booklet. Class will be held at the far end of the stone tables- look for musicians.

Inkle Weaving Basics
Time: Friday, May 23rd ,3PM to 4PM
Location: Other (See Description)
Teacher: Lord Egil the Loomwright
Description: Warp a loom and weave a small strap or trim piece. Classroom looms available or bring your own. No fee. Max 10 persons per class. Location: Pine Box Traders merchant booth

Make and take Scot Gillies -OR- German shoes in two hours or less.
Time: Friday, May 23rd ,3PM to 5PM
Location: Stone Tables-Green
Teacher: Lord Dionysus Nottingham
Description: Students Cut out pattern, trace onto leather, cut leather, punch holes, lace up, and put them on. ALL tools AND materials are supplied. Students keep new shoes and pattern to make more later if they wish. Tools are availiable for purchase if a Tandy isn't handy. Please be warned, my leather scissors are extremely sharp. Cost is $25.00 per pair of shoes. Limit 25 per class age limit sixteen

Sharpen your Modern Resume - Using your SCA skills and awards to improve your working resume
Time: Friday, May 23rd ,3PM to 4:30PM
Location: Stone Tables-Yellow
Teacher: Thomas Hewes of Islington
Description: This class will cover how to convert your SCA awards, skills and achievements into real world accomplishments that can be used to improve your resume. If you have ever wondered why being a seneschal, an autocrat or officer is worth it, come and see how much those positions improve your resume. Please bring a copy of your current resume, a copy of your awards and achievements, some writing utensils and a notepad.

Constable 101/War Constable
Time: Friday, May 23rd ,5PM to 6PM
Location: Other (See Description)
Teacher: rds Guy Rand Gallandon and Colin MacDonald
Description: This class is for Constables and people thinking of becoming one. Learn the duties before, during and after events, and the paperwork required. Class will meet at the stone tables across the road from base camp.

Caid Choir rehearsal
Time: Saturday, May 24th ,9AM to 11AM
Location: Other (See Description)
Teacher: Lady Rochl bas Gershom Sternkiker
Description: Sing and practice with the Caid Choir- class located in the Open Arms Bardic Hall in merchants row.

Heraldic Display
Time: Saturday, May 24th ,10AM to 11AM
Location: Closed Ramada
Teacher: The Honorable Lady Eridana Ambra Dragotta & Lady Felice Filadoro
Description: Overview of how to decorate using your device of badge. We will cover, garb, personal items and period silk banners organization. This is NOT a hands on silk banner class. Felice will assist in sketching out ways to adapt your device to a basic T tunic for you to take with you.

Music Rehearsals
Time: Saturday, May 24th ,10AM to 12 Noon
Location: Other (See Description)
Teacher: Eadoin Inghen Muireartaigh
Description: All musicians are invited to gather together and play. We will be preparing music for the dances as well as playing around for fun. Dance music provided, feel free to bring other music to try (bring multiple copies, though). Bring instruments, chair, and stand. $2 for dance music booklet. Class will be held at the far end of the stone tables- look for musicians.

Syrups and Sekanjabins
Time: Saturday, May 24th ,10AM to 11AM
Location: Stone Tables-Yellow
Teacher: Master Donal O'Brien
Description: Drinks can be made by boiling water and sugar together with flavorings like herbs, spices, flowers, fruit, vegetables and even vinegar. Come learn how to the make the sweetest of syrups, the tangiest of oxymels and the most refreshing of sekanjabins!

Lucet Beyond Basic
Time: Saturday, May 24th ,10AM to 11:30AM
Location: Other (See Description)
Teacher: Lord Egil the Loomwright
Description: Variations, Loops, and Monkey Wrenches. Classroom lucets available or bring your own. No fee. Max 10 persons per class. Location: Pine Box Traders merchant booth

Make and take Scot Gillies -OR- German shoes in two hours or less
Time: Saturday, May 24th ,10AM to 12 Noon
Location: Stone Tables-Green
Teacher: Dionysus Nottingham
Description: Students Cut out pattern, trace onto leather, cut leather, punch holes, lace up, and put them on. ALL tools AND materials are supplied. Students keep new shoes and pattern to make more later if they wish. Tools are availiable for purchase if a Tandy isn't handy. Please be warned, my leather scissors are extremely sharp. Cost is $25.00 per pair of shoes. Limit 25 per class age limit sixteen

Easy Social Dance
Time: Saturday, May 24th ,10AM to 11AM
Location: Open Ramada
Teacher: Maestro Niccolo Genovese
Description: Learn by doing a variety of easy dances from 16th Century England and France- Old Measures, Pavane, and Bransles. Ages 12 and up

Awards, Recommendation Letters and the Order of Precedence
Time: Saturday, May 24th ,11AM to 12 Noon
Location: Closed Ramada
Teacher: THe Honorable Lady Eridana Ambra Dragotta & Master Thomas Brownwell
Description: The awards of Caid and Calafia will be covered and how to recommend someone for an award. There will be sample letters as well as on the spot letter writing. All awards for gentles in Caid are tracked in a database called the OP (Order of Precedence). Stop by and check your entry.

Mead Making
Time: Saturday, May 24th ,11AM to 1PM
Location: Stone Tables-Yellow
Teacher: Master Donal O'Brien
Description: Mead is a fermented beverage made from honey, water and yeast. Mead can also be flavored using fruits, vegetables, herbs, spices or flowers. If you have every wondered how to make mead, this is the class for you! We will cover brewing equipment, sanitation, ingredients, and bottling as we make a gallon of mead.Samples of mead will be provided during the class. Please bring a photo id showing that you are 21 years or older if you plan on partaking.

Beginning Recorder Playing for the SCA
Time: Saturday, May 24th ,11AM to 12 Noon
Location: Stone Tables-Red
Teacher: Lady Rochl bas Gershom Sternkiker
Description: Come learn recorder basics. $3 for a plastic soprano recorder if desired

15th Century Italian Dance
Time: Saturday, May 24th ,11AM to 1PM
Location: Open Ramada
Teacher: Maestro Niccolo Genovese
Description: Learn by doing a variety of dances from 15th Century Italy -- Petit Riens, Gelosia, Amoroso, and others. Ages 12 and up.

Consulting Heraldry
Time: Saturday, May 24th ,12 Noon to 4PM
Location: Closed Ramada
Teacher: The Honorable Lady Eridana Ambra Dragotta
Description: This is not a "class" but time to choose a period name and device (registration is not required, but encouraged). Most of my books will be available as well as a computer to access web sources. You need not be an SCA member to choose or register a name.

Period Nautica 101
Time: Saturday, May 24th ,12 Noon to 2PM
Location: Other (See Description)
Teacher: Lord Curteis FitzOsbern
Description: Survey of ships in use during period-- types, hull construction, sails and rigging. Brief discussion on piracy in period, and the types of ships that would have been used. Class to be help at the Horizon's End Encampment.

Brewers Roundtable
Time: Saturday, May 24th ,1PM to 3PM
Location: Stone Tables-Yellow
Teacher: Master Donal O'Brien
Description: So, what have you been brewing lately? Let's talk about your latest batch of beer, mead, wine, cordial, liqueur, soda, syrup, sekanjabin or vinegar. Come to this roundtable discussion ever if you have never brewed before.

16th Century Italian Dances
Time: Saturday, May 24th ,1PM to 3PM
Location: Open Ramada
Teacher: Lady Rochl bas Gershom Sternkiker
Description: LEarn 16th Century Italian Dances- to be chosen from Il Conto dell'Orco, Bizzaria d'Amore, Spagnoletta Regolata, and Bella Gioiosa.

Wood Working / Building an Osberg Viking Wagon Part 2
Time: Saturday, May 24th ,1PM to 3PM
Location: Stone Tables-Red
Teacher: Lord Gerhard Goosen
Description: This is part two of the class. Class will be mostly hands-on and very little lecture. I will walk you through the steps of building a look-a-like Osberg wagon for carting your stuff. Using simple geometry, we will design the wheels and various parts. For those wanting to get started on their project, you will need to bring tools and lumber. For those wanting a full size pattern, bring a pencil & pattern paper to trace out parts. The goal is to build up your confidence and have fun building things out of wood. Class Size:Open to all. Please contact me by May 15 to reserve a handout. Email bdgoose@yahoo.com and include" May War Wood Class" in subject line. Those signing up late are taking their chances to whether or not any handouts will be available. Age restriction: Lecture - no age limit. For the hands-on portion you must be 18 or older. Cost: $2 for handout to be paid at class. Tools: Clamps (rope or string and rods make a very period tourniquet clamp, and effective too), hand plane, hand saw, chisel, and hammer. Brace and bits if you got them. Materials: Lumber sizes, To be updated or email me! Oak is nice, but pricey and very heavy, Pine is cheap, but not as strong. I am using Poplar, lightweight and easy to work with.

Exploring Period Pigments
Time: Saturday, May 24th ,2PM to 4PM
Location: Stone Tables-Green
Teacher: Maestra Flavia Beatrice Carmigniani
Description: Learn to grind powdered earth oxides and dye extracts (yes, they are period) with gum Arabic to create medieval watercolors, and with egg yolk to create tempera paints. All materials supplied. Any age is welcome! If it is windy class will take place at the Griffin Freehold camp.

Basic Japanese Shodo
Time: Saturday, May 24th ,2PM to 4PM
Location: Closed Ramada
Teacher: Tanikawa no Reishi
Description: This is a basic calligraphy class for Japanese/Chinese characters. Students will be taught the 8 basic strokes and be given hand outs of characters and stroke orders. Please bring an authentic calligraphy brush (NOT bought at Micheal's), ink, inkstone, several pads of unlined paper or a clipboard and one ream of printer paper. Limit 15 people. Contact Tanikawa no Reishi at reishi00@yahoo.com with any questions

Learn the ropes
Time: Saturday, May 24th ,2PM to 4PM
Location: Stone Tables-Blue
Teacher: Lord Tadgh Mac Murchada
Description: An introduction to basic knots for camping. Break your addiction to modern rachet straps and mundane bungee cords. Practice material and a handout will be provided. Donations will be accepted to defray costs.

Garb Decoration Made Easy
Time: Saturday, May 24th ,2:30PM to 3:30PM
Location: Stone Tables-Yellow
Teacher: Lady Deirdre Oilithreach
Description: An embroidery class using the running stitch and the backstitch for garb decoration ranging from simple borders to complicated designs. If you are a true novice, you will be taught the stitches in class. Bring scissors and a small embroidery frame. Cost: $1. for needles, material, and threads. (Class is for adults and older teens.)

Music Ornamentation
Time: Saturday, May 24th ,3PM to 4PM
Location: Open Ramada
Teacher: Eadoin Inghen Muireartaigh
Description: Learn different styles of period ornamentation. We will examine various types of ornamentation and play around with ornamenting several pieces of music. This will get you all set to make the dance music we'll play later at the ball more fun and interesting! Students should be comfortable sight-reading music and bring their instruments, a chair, music stand, and a pencil. Music will be provided. ee: $2 for dance music booklet (if want to keep)

Card Weaving for Beginners
Time: Saturday, May 24th ,3PM to 5PM
Location: Other (See Description)
Teacher: Lord Egil the Loomwright
Description: Warp a loom and weave a small strap or trim piece. Classroom looms available or bring your own. No fee. Max 10 persons per class. Location: Pine Box Traders merchant booth

Beginning Gold Bullion Embroidery
Time: Saturday, May 24th ,3PM to 6PM
Location: Stone Tables-Red
Teacher: Comptesse Albra Katerine Marie Isabel Bautiste
Description: Beginning Gold Bullion Embroidery -----max 15 people Students will learn gold bullion embroidery basics---with techniques suitable for 15th and 16th century time periods, while producing a small needlebook .Teacher provides kits with handouts and all foundation and metal threads, needles, beeswax, background fabric , with drawn design, lining and notions for needlebook construction. Students *need* to have basic embroidery experience---be at least 16 and up and bring scissors that can be used on metal threads *only* , as well as a 6" to 8" embroidery hoop and note-taking materials. Materials fee is $12--for kit; handout alone is $2.00.

Youth Combat marshalling
Time: Saturday, May 24th ,4PM to 5PM
Location: Other (See Description)
Teacher: Teka Turmanov & Timothy The Procastinator
Description: Learn the basics of marshalling a youth field and explain the differences between heavies and the youth field. The class will be held at the stone tables near the youth field. No restrictions (Would prefer everyone to be 16 years or older, but not limited to).

Dance Practice
Time: Saturday, May 24th ,4PM to 6PM
Location: Closed Ramada
Teacher: Various
Description: Dance practice for that evenings ball

Making your own buckles and hinges
Time: Sunday, May 25th ,10AM to 12 Noon
Location: Stone Tables-Green
Teacher: Baron Darius von Tannenberg
Description: Students need to bring two pairs of pliers and a couple wire coat hangers. I will have some extra wire for the buckle portion of the class, the hinge part will be demo and lecture. Students will be shown how to make a basic "D" buckle. Period attachments will be covered. Master Donal O'brien is planning to join me and add making penanulars, in miniature and pins also from wire, to the class.

Polish Coats
Time: Sunday, May 25th ,10AM to 12 Noon
Location: Stone Tables-Yellow
Teacher: Lady Kate Dogberry
Description: An overview of the three main styles of 15th and 16th Century men's Polish Coats – the Giermak, Delia and Zupan. The class will cover some history as well as appropriate colors, fabrics and trims. The class will also discuss adapting these coats as rapier armor.

Introduction to pewter casting
Time: Sunday, May 25th ,10AM to 11AM
Location: Stone Tables-Red
Teacher: Master Thorvald Olafson the Swordmaker
Description: Come and learn how to cast pewter. It's fun, it's easy and it doesn't take a big investment to start! First a demonstration on the period form of mold making using soapstone, after we'll cast from that mold and others. Great for making site tokens, household badges belt studs etc. Class limit 12 people, children over 12 allowed to watch but only adults will be allowed to cast. A limited number of soapstone mold making kits will be available for $15. Kit Includes soapstone, carving tools and sandpaper. $3 if you want to keep the handout

Opus Anglicanum embroidery
Time: Sunday, May 25th ,11AM to 1PM
Location: Closed Ramada
Teacher: Dame Richenda Coffin
Description: The class will cover a history andanalysis of the style and offer an opportunity to try the stitches (split stitch in silk, underside couching in gold thread). Students should have basic embroidery skills; experience with basic goldwork is very helpful. Bring scissors, beeswax if they have it, thimble if they use one. No limit on class size, no class fee. Participants under 18 on instructor approval only.

Decorative Ropework
Time: Sunday, May 25th ,12 Noon to 2PM
Location: Stone Tables-Yellow
Teacher: Lord Curteis FitzOsbern
Description: Brief survey of ropes in use on period sailing ships. Formation and functional uses of decorative knots. Materials will be supplied, donations to cover cost of materials accepted.

Spin In
Time: Sunday, May 25th ,12 Noon to 2PM
Location: Open Ramada
Teacher: Company of Saint Catherine
Description: Spin in with the Company of Saint Catherine

Wood Working / Building an Osberg Viking Wagon Part 3
Time: Sunday, May 25th ,1PM to 3PM
Location: Stone Tables-Red
Teacher: Lord Gerhard Goosen
Description: This is part 3- the final part of the class. Class will be mostly hands-on and very little lecture. I will walk you through the steps of building a look-a-like Osberg wagon for carting your stuff. Using simple geometry, we will design the wheels and various parts. For those wanting to get started on their project, you will need to bring tools and lumber. For those wanting a full size pattern, bring a pencil & pattern paper to trace out parts. The goal is to build up your confidence and have fun building things out of wood. Class Size:Open to all. Please contact me by May 15 to reserve a handout. Email bdgoose@yahoo.com and include" May War Wood Class" in subject line. Those signing up late are taking their chances to whether or not any handouts will be available. Age restriction: Lecture - no age limit. For the hands-on portion you must be 18 or older. Cost: $2 for handout to be paid at class. Tools: Clamps (rope or string and rods make a very period tourniquet clamp, and effective too), hand plane, hand saw, chisel, and hammer. Brace and bits if you got them. Materials: Lumber sizes, To be updated or email me! Oak is nice, but pricey and very heavy, Pine is cheap, but not as strong. I am using Poplar, lightweight and easy to work with.

Lucet Basics
Time: Sunday, May 25th ,1PM to 2PM
Location: Other (See Description)
Teacher: Lord Egil the Loomwright
Description: Make a square cord and a 2 color cord. Classroom lucets available or bring your own. No fee. Max 10 persons per class. Location: Pine Box Traders merchant booth

How to Plan and Design a Tourney Box
Time: Sunday, May 25th ,1PM to 2PM
Location: Stone Tables-Green
Teacher: Master Thorvald Olafson the Swordmaker
Description: A look at period styles of boxes that adept well for use in the SCA. What your design should include. Discussions on what types of woods are period. How to pick hardware and how to make modern hardware look more period. Finishing the wood so it looks period and is durable. $3 if you want to keep the handout. Class limit 20, everyone is welcome.